Is Europe a third world country?
Before you leave a comment criticizing my geographical knowledge, I know that Europe is not a country. But did you know that there are countries in Europe that are poorer than countries in Southeast Asia? I guess I sort of did, but I didn’t totally understand the extent of it until I really started digging in.
I’m not only talking about Eastern Europe either. That part of the world has been poor for quite a while. What I am saying here applies to a lot of the EU too. For example, the per capita GDP of Bulgaria is just $8031. That’s significantly less than Malaysia’s $9994! This number doesn’t mean everything, but it does mean a lot.
Focus Economics says, “GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of the standard of living of a given country, as it reflects the average wealth of each person residing in a country. It is therefore the standard method used to compare how poor or wealthy countries are in relation to each other.”
Outside of the EU the situation is even more extreme. Not counting the city states and disputed regions of Europe, there are at least nine European countries with lower GDP per capita than Thailand! The GDP per capita of Moldova is even lower than that of Vietnam! Obviously I have been to Europe a few times. And obviously I have spent a lot of time in Southeast Asia. But researching these facts did surprise me.
What exactly is the third world?
Does income make a place a third world country? It depends who you ask. People come up with their own labels and ways of using them. These days most people will fight you if you say Thailand is a third world country. There are also things like development. For example, there are still people in Thailand and Malaysia living in tin shacks. I never saw that in Europe, but I did see lots of people on the streets or living in vehicles. Even in the middle of rich European cities. Yet there are some really poor cities in Southeast Asia where I never saw a single beggar.

First world Europe
I definitely feel safer in Ho Chi Minh City or Vientiane than I do in South Chicago or the East Side of Detroit, and for very good reason. But on the other hand, I don’t have to worry much about getting chronic diarrhea from brushing my teeth in the tap water in Illinois. And I’ve never met anyone in Michigan trying to make it on 2 grand a year.
The funny thing is that you can see more wealth and development on display in third world cities like Phnom Penh or American ghettos than you can in some of the richest European cities. Really basic stuff is sometimes hard to find even in the middle of Europe. You can check into an expensive hotel in Vienna or Berlin only to find that it’s a cramped box with a tiny mattress and no air conditioner in sight. Poor people in the housing projects of the US at least have AC. The $3 guest houses of Phnom Penh also have air conditioners. Even the famously small hotel rooms in Japan come with climate control, and they have as long as I’ve been alive.

Third world Cambodia
There’s also a question of growth. Parts of Asia are absolutely booming. Meanwhile parts of the west look like they’re in a downward spiral of doom. This can be seen in the sex industry too. It’s reflected in many ways. Like when you see a bus load of Chinese tourists show up at a Thai soapy massage and book every high priced prostitute inside, then you cross the street and find a bunch of hard scrabble old Western guys nursing happy hour beers at Porn’s beer bar for hours on end. Complaints about the price of sex sometimes have more to do with the complainer’s home country and currency than they do with the homeland of the hookers.
Income and the price of sex
What does GDP, development, or even the average income have to do with the price of sex? Not very much. I learned that a long time ago from traveling and keeping my eyes open. It still seems to shock many people to find prostitutes in Cambodia routinely getting $100 for sex while it goes for half as much in Germany where the per capita GDP is 34 times higher. I am used to this state of things.
Ever since I began comparing Germany and Thailand for sex, I have been paying more attention. Things keep going in a certain direction too. The dollar strengthened against the Euro and fell against the Baht. And more than a few people in Thailand just keep on raising their prices regardless.
Some people won’t accept facts, no matter how they are proven or presented. So you still do meet a lot of guys who will argue about the “great value” in Bangkok or wherever. I am sure a few of them have an interest in a bar or hotel or something. But plenty of others just take up the argument for no perceivable reason. Maybe they want to defend their decisions to move to cities like Pattaya permanently. Maybe they like Thailand more than Europe or prefer Southeast Asian to European women. That is all totally fine. But it doesn’t change the fact that in terms of sheer prices, and especially in terms of price versus the local economy, sex in some “lesser developed” places like Thailand is now much more expensive than it is even in the richest parts of Europe.
I’ve been to some real dumps in my life. And some of them were even in “the first world.” Often this was all to find sex, if I am being totally honest. So I understand the urge guys have to look for pussy wherever they are. But it is kind of strange that guys would be okay with cramming themselves into a small economy seat on an airplane and flying half way around the world, then crawling through open sewage and trash, to bang a middle aged mom on a dirty mattress for more than they could pay in some of the most “livable” and esteemed places on earth. What do you think?
I agree. The FKK are much better value (money for what you get) than anywhere else I’ve been. Also the women are much better looking. Only place I’ve enjoyed more is Brazil but the Brazilian cities are crime ridden which is a big downside.
Hey Stefan! I agree. FKK are definitely great. Which ones have you been to? Did you see my post on 50 dollar porn star pussy? I basically put my thoughts about it there and in an earlier post comparing Thailand and Germany. I haven’t been to Brazil. I used to know some Brazilian chicks in America but that was years ago. I have spent a little time in Latin America, but never more than a couple of days. That was years ago too. I liked that the flights were short since the locations are close to the US. But I don’t like looking over my shoulder while I’m trying to enjoy myself. I’ve never felt like I’ve had to do that even in the worst parts of Asia.
I wonder how the economics play out once you factor in food, hotel and city transportation into the equation. Is it still such a bargain in Europe, then? Not trying to be argumentative. I’m genuinely curious.
That’s a good question bro. I can only speak for myself. If I’m on a short trip, I spend about the same in Bangkok and Berlin.
I usually spend about a hundred a night for my hotel in Berlin. Then about fifty bucks to get into the FKK, and two fucks sets me back about a hundred more. So that’s 250. Keep in mind you can fill up on free food and drinks in the FKK, and burn a lot of time swimming, talking to naked chicks and even reading. But add 50 more just for incidentals and you’re at 300 a day.
In Bangkok I usually spend about 70 a night on my room. An afternoon soapy massage runs me about 100 bucks. Then I might hit up some go go bars at night. It’s easy to burn 30 bucks in those bars in no time, even if you only buy a few drinks. Then say I find a chick in one of the gogos. After buying her a drink, paying her barfine, paying the short time room fee and giving her the money she wants for sex, I’m easily dropping another 100 dollars. So I’m already at 300. Keep in mind you don’t get free food or drinks anywhere in Bangkok. So I actually spend more than that.
You can definitely go a lot cheaper in either place, and I have years ago when I had a lot less.
My explanation “Supply and Demand”. The WGs in Cambodia, Vietnam and other least developed countries in Asia could charge US$100+ for an hour where for many people in those countries are two weeks salary because there are still uninformed people with more money than sense want to pay that price
Also do not forget many of this overpriced escort, night club are controlled by gangs or the like people who are immune to law (to some extents). Thus, the need to bribe official, police to exist.
But if this extortionate price is justifiable. Well just see how much the local people have paid for the WGs. There is no doubt that it is only a handful of people would be willing to pay US$100+
In the meanwhile, WGs in those countries serving international clients, might be a scarcity due the language barriers. In Europe even for the countries such as Bulgaria, Moldova, Ukraine, vast majority of these young people speaks English. This is due to the education system, the personal awareness of the need to able to speak English. While the supply is scarce there are still mongers who do not want to spend time to do desk and leg work are willing to pay for that price.
Also, in the Eastern Europe, although you might see the Income per capita is low compared to many poor countries, it is not the reflection of prosperity. Keep in mind the social security in Europe is very good if you compared it with those even the richest countries in Asia. The basic need such as bare minimum level of shelter, food, health are seen as a human right thus it is provided by the government. Compared it to what you get in Asia even the richest one, if you or your family member or relatives cannot support you, you will die on the street.
Thanks for the comment bro. I appreciate it. A lot of what you say is probably true. The only place I can really argue is when you come to what local guys spend. Believe it or not but there are a lot of local dudes who pay 100-200 or more all the time in Thailand and Cambodia. Like, way more. I’ve seen enough with my own eyes to know it’s true. A lot of big shots in Thailand and Cambodia keep girlfriends on the side and give them a few thousand USD every month. Or go to the restaurants and KTVs and watch local guys give out 100 dollar tips to beer girls. They also take women out of the KTVs by the hundreds and usually pay 50, 70, 100, 200, or more. It happens every night all over both countries. Now these aren’t small farmers. But they are local dudes, and there are a lot of them. That’s how all those KTV with 20-100 women working stay in business.
Entire Western World is turning into the Third World not just Europe.
Would love to monger South America (Brazil/Colombia/Venezuela) but don’t dare due to downright terrifying levels of violence (and that shit is real). Stateside, most major US cities now have too many joggers that make simple day-to-day life risky and services — with said joggers working service sector or worse… in govt such as the post office or TSA (been to O’hare lately?), etc. — very poor/frustrating or below-third-world-level of competency/quality.
SEA (Thailand/Vietnam etc.), there’s no ‘jogger problem’ here and with perhaps two exceptions I always feel safe and the services are very high quality. Once felt unsafe in Cambodia (some guy got his throat slit outside my $$$ boutique hotel on the riverfront not long before I arrived, that; and the beggars in dark alleys are tooled up) and in Jakarta I pick up on unsettling vibes at times (just my sixth sense talking here).
SEA is getting pricey for girls, yes. At the moment though it’s still, by far, the best geo-arbitrage going. Even if FX rates were 1:1, i’d still rather go to literally ANYWHERE in SEA than anywhere USA (for example).
Thanks for commenting. Generally speaking the west seems to be on the way down. And some of Asia was clearly on a good run there before the pandemic. But I wouldn’t be so general. Have you been to Payatas? Or Mauna Kea? Thailand looks better than Cambodia or Indonesia in some ways but that’s just the surface. The murder rate in Thailand is twice as high as Cambodia and eight times higher than Indonesia. Then the Philippines murder rate is twice as high as Thailand. Bolivia, Ecuador, Suriname, Argentina, Cuba and Chile are all South American countries with lower murder rates than the Philippines. The murder rate in the US is also lower than the Philippines. I’ve been all over and they haven’t killed me yet. It ain’t where you’re from, it’s where you’re at.
Just come out and use the real word instead of saying joggers you big pussy. I know you prolly left America after your wife went for BBC and never looked back, so you gotta be sour. But you better get back soon to offer your big orange hitler hero some support. Bitch.
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I’m glad I stumbled across your site. I actually find it really interesting, especially on the how economic climate is changing. I’ve been to Malaysia, and while I wasn’t there for sex, it felt safe there. I was at the hotel/casino on top of that one mountain. It’s the only casino allowed in Malaysia because they are Muslim. There were so many Asian and Arabic men there. They were High Rollers and had women with them who were quite obviously not their wife or wives. I don’t mind saying I am actually a woman, but I’m pretty open minded on things. I will say in Malaysia I didn’t see underage girls or boys–for the sake of argument we’ll just say 17–anywhere at these places. I have zero issue with consenting adults for prostitution, however the rest scares me. And it’s not just in Asian countries. I know that shit is everywhere. I sort of keep hoping though if there are demands for better quality women, that this will stop so much human trafficking. I mean, seriously, I can’t imagine anyone, man or woman, being good at sex and taking care of themselves if they are being forced to. Unless I am just completely wrong here, which I admit is a real possibility.
Hey girl. I have never seen any hint of anything but consenting adults anywhere I have ever been. I have seen western countries crumble and eastern countries rise though. You be the judge.